The Space Show Presents Trisha Epp. Sunday, 2-22-26
Quick Summary:
The Space Show hosted Trisha Epp, Director of Innovation at Freelancer.com, to discuss NASA’s open innovation challenges and Freelancer’s role in facilitating these competitions. Trisha explained how Freelancer works with NASA’s Tournament Lab to run innovation challenges that attract solutions from around the world, with prize money awarded for successful ideas. The discussion covered the differences between Freelancer’s approach and traditional government RFP processes, highlighting cost savings and broader participation as key advantages. Trisha shared that Freelancer has helped NASA achieve significant cost savings through their innovation challenges, with approximately 30-50 winners per year. The conversation also touched on the use of AI in submissions, ethical concerns around AI art, and potential expansion of these innovation methods beyond NASA to other industries.
Detailed Summary
Trisha Epp, an innovation strategist based in Vancouver, discussed her work leading open innovation challenges for NASA, NIH, and other institutions through Freelancer.com’s NASA Tournament Lab. She explained that Freelancer helps find engineers and carry out innovative projects, particularly those that fit within NASA’s challenge section. The discussion also touched on potential future projects in space, such as 3D printing organs in space while David shared his personal interest in advancements in knee replacement technology derived from space tech.
Trisha explained her role as Director of Innovation at Freelancer, where they work with NASA through the NASA Tournament Lab and Center of Excellence for Collaborative Innovation to explore open innovation solutions. She detailed how Freelancer facilitates innovation challenges where participants compete to solve specific NASA problems, with successful ideas being licensed to NASA and potentially leading to further development. Trisha mentioned that Freelancer is one of 25 vendors on NASA’s Open Innovation Services 3 contract, specializing in finding global solutions, and shared a success story about a Norwegian engineer whose work on software testing for the Orion spacecraft will be used in the Artemis II mission.
Trisha explained how NASA’s Center of Excellence for Collaborative Innovation facilitates faster innovation through open competitions compared to traditional procurement processes. She detailed how Freelancer’s platform helps connect solvers with NASA challenges, with typical prize pools of $100,000 and above, and described the evaluation process conducted by NASA engineers. Trisha also highlighted the diversity of participants, ranging from university students to professionals from various fields, and the motivation factors driving their involvement.
Trisha discussed the challenges of treating rare diseases and the importance of developing effective delivery methods for treatments. She mentioned NASA’s upcoming program to analyze data from astronauts on the Artemis II mission and a competition for innovative methodologies. David inquired about solutions for unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), but Trisha had not seen any official documentation on the topic. Trisha also shared her excitement about a global competition for designing a zero-gravity indicator for the Artemis II mission, which is still awaiting results. She expressed disappointment over NASA’s decision not to publish winning designs from an art challenge due to the use of AI art, which she hoped would be addressed in the future.
Trisha and David discussed the ethical concerns around AI, particularly regarding the use of artists’ work without consent for training AI models. David shared that their website, thespacehow.com, was targeted by AI crawlers, leading to data loss and the implementation of Cloudflare for protection. Trisha mentioned her work on a program with ex-Microsoft AI professionals and the Department of Energy to develop a healthy human-AI interaction index. The discussion concluded with Trisha expressing interest in expanding their work beyond NASA to other industries, leveraging a methodology developed with NASA to tackle complex problems.
Trisha explained that their innovation challenge methodology offers significant cost savings compared to traditional RFP processes, with only 1-10% of prize money paid out when solutions are not found, and highlighted their success in attracting new audiences and finding unexpected solutions. When discussing how to evaluate and compare different methodologies like NIAC’s, Trisha suggested looking at metrics such as outreach and the number of people reached, while Philip noted that NIAC aims to find transformative ideas that could disrupt existing ways of doing things, though he questioned whether their published results truly meet this goal.
Toward the end of the program we discussed NASA’s grant program structure and competition model, where successful proposals receive direct awards rather than requiring deliverables. Trisha explained that NASA typically awards 30-50 winners per year across various programs, with winners receiving funds to scale up their work without strings attached. The participants explored the concept of independent oversight for proposal selection processes and discussed upcoming challenges, with Trisha sharing resources including NASA’s COECI opportunities website.
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